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initech

Thanks Zaphod77! (Was 'Zaphod42 taken? ;-)
AND thanks to everyone else as well.

MathExtremist

The truth about lurking and slot machines.
In the US, slot machines MUST be truly random by law. Except for considerations of progressives and/or banking, lurking will not help. And it's difficult to analyze the slots to figure out the break even point, becuse you cannot see the virtual reels.

There is no federal US law related to the behavior of slot machine games -- it's a state's issue. In New York, for example, the video terminals at racetracks are not playing random independent spins. They're playing electronic pull-tabs from a virtual set of tickets stored at a central system. Someone just posted about the Alabama bingo case -- those games are also not random independent spins. In the Alabama games, similar to Class II games, at least two players must be in competition for one of the prizes on the paytable, so you need a network and a server to coordinate the ad-hoc 'bingo games'. You cannot play those games if you're the only one in the casino -- they won't spin the reels until someone else shows up.
The point is that US gaming jurisdictions vary widely on what's allowed and what's not, for various electronic gaming machines and in various settings.

'In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice.' -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563

Zaphod77

Everywhere a class three slot is allowed in the USA, to the best of my knowledge, it must be truly random, with independent reels.
Class 2 slots are not really slot machine,s they are bingo games in disguise.
Forgive me for saying 'slot machine' when I meant 'class III gaming device' :)

MathExtremist

Sort of -- Class II or III only has to do with the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (IGRA). It's convenient to talk about Class III because the IGRA defined it as 'everything that's not Class I or II', but it's only useful in that way. There are a lot of different games that qualify as Class II, and not all of them are bingo based, but that's not even the point because the games in New York (for example) aren't on tribal land anyway so the IGRA isn't the controlling law. In New York, the state lottery is the regulatory authority over the operation of machines in racinos. Those are the electronic pull-tab machines, but those aren't Class II. In fact, the categorization of the video pull-tab machines as Class III was a major District Court decision in Cabazon v. NIGA.

'In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice.' -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563

Zaphod77

Well, if a UK style hi tech fruit machine were legal to operate in the USA, i'm pretty sure they would be operated, as they have an addiction factor much stronger than the US random ones.
Therefore I really do believe that every slot machine that's actually a slot machine, and not a pulltab/bingo internally has to be the way they are in Nevada to be legal.

Ravzar

In Australia, many slot machines have bonuses that can come down randomly or on free games. All machines are 15 -25 lines and there are almost no traditional 1 line slots anywhere. The reason you would lurk is that the minimum and maximum random bonuses increase to a certain point depending on the money put into the group of machines. So, sometimes the maximum will be $100/$500 for the mini and max. So if it was at $44/$300 it isn't as good as a bet compared to the machine that hasn't paid in a while which is at $100/$500. So going on a machine after someone has been playing and losing for a while will result in a better win if you win the bonus. I always go for a machine thats maxed out on bonuses or closed to max out. However, I never play slots with my own money anyway since it is a sucker bet. My dad loves slots and somehow he wins reasonably often... and he is prone to gambler's fallacy. He has won significantly large amounts up to $16 000 though. Because the probabilities are the same, it doesn't really matter when or what he chooses to play. If he feels better playing a particular machine because of an error of reasoning, it doesn't make much of a difference.
It is also relevant that some machines have different rules that will actually result in a better house edge making it worse off for the player and simply not worth playing. Slots is big business in Australia. It is the most popular game since it is available everywhere outside casinos. Australians lose billions each year on slots. Some machines rely on free games, others on random bonuses, and others simply on getting the right combinations. Slots at casinos in Australia are, in my opinion, because of the way they run, completely sucker bets for anyone who tries. Slots in various clubs in suburban areas are far more fair and result in an alright bet for those gambling. Never play slots in a casino in Australia ever. Go to the tables.

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